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Reincarnation early or in an unpopulated world after suicide
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Key Findings 70,74 - An individual who commits suicide will find after the initial greeting process has been completed that they are in a place darker than in the place of an individual crossing over for any other reason. These individual souls are initially met by angels and guides and they can see the brightness and the light and the love of these guides coming through to them so that they are not left into a complete hole of darkness though they are in a dim world compared to where they would have been under other circumstances.
Afterlife 101 Section, Chapter 3
Particular case of suicide
Spirit Guide: Those troubled souls who are living on earth who choose to end their problems much too soon in life through suicide obviously have a very dark energy of their own they have created. Now, there are many different reasons for suicide. The first we would say is that this individual's connection with its spirit self is so blocked with negative energy that they have shut down from their spirit self. This individual is in such pain and is so confused and the wall of pain and confusion has built so strongly around him or her that the individual has closed down so much they cannot allow any love into their life.
By doing this they are looking at such a helpless and hopeless feeling, feeling of being totally alienated from the entire universe, feeling no sense of love whatsoever. When they commit this act of suicide they do not go to hell as many people say they do, but they are in a place darker than in the place of an individual crossing over for any other reason. For this is their place of darkness that they have created. These individual souls are initially met by angels and guides and they can see the brightness and the light and the love of these guides coming through to them. This light and this love does permeate the life of the individual who committed suicide so that they are not left into a complete hole of darkness though they are in a dim world compared to where they would have been under other circumstances. They are met by loved ones who have crossed over who are very glad to see them.
Those individuals who cross over from suicide are eventually greeted by loved ones so that they are not living in this place of fear. Unfortunately, their interaction with these loved ones is not as prolonged--though again, time is not any essence whatsoever when crossing over--but they are not given the opportunity at this time to move immediately into this loving family environment. They are greeted by loved ones and supported and they have been released from the majority of the torment they were experiencing upon earth. Oftentimes their immediate sense of guilt of what they have done to themselves and to their loved ones retains them in a place such as a continuation of a school-room that you might relate to as in heaven. They are so looking for forgiveness from their loved ones for what they have done to them, not what they have done to themselves, but what they have done to their loved ones that their sense of guilt is again as strong as their fears that sent them to commit suicide. Their sense of guilt often prevents them from moving on for what we on earth would consider a great length of time. As they continue their spirit life, they are given opportunities to look back at their earth life they had just ended. They are given opportunities to then be open to see the love and caring of the ones that they left behind had for them. Their lack of sense of any right to have love in their life is what drove them to commit suicide to begin with.
So as they look back upon earth on the life they had on what brought them there, whether it was shame or guilt or fear or even anger, they see how their death affects all of those surrounding them. Oftentimes those left on earth play a role in helping an individual move forward so that they can connect again with their level of spirit energy not associated with their having committed suicide. These spirits who have committed suicide are given opportunity after opportunity to release what has brought them there so that they can move forward into their normal spirit life again. Until they find that they can release what brought them there and know that all they have to do is say--yes, I am willing to let go, I am willing to feel my rightful place that I didn't experience on earth but can move back into in Heaven. It is their free choice. They are oftentimes unable to accept that all they have to do is simply say yes and move forward, that they are restrained within the feelings and emotions that took them to commit suicide and do not allow themselves to move forward even in a spiritual world.
A majority of the time all spirits who have committed suicide move into their rightful place in the spirit world for they are able to see how much love is sent to them, both from those on earth and from those spirits who have come before them who are willing to say, yes I deserve this. Regardless of what they did, they are able then to move into their rightful journey of their spirit self. For in this place where they initially come after having committed suicide they are immediately given the opportunity to see the love and agree that they deserve this love and be willing to move into it. They are given free choice and oftentimes the burdens that they felt upon earth are so strong that they are seeking the freedom from guilt, from the forgiveness of the loved ones on earth. They move forward once they are able to agree that they do not need to continue to carry the burden of what brought them to heaven before their designated time. We would not agree with many spirit mediums on earth who say that those who commit suicide move into, shall we say, their place of origination in heaven immediately unless they have immediately allowed themselves to be released from what brought them there. Heaven gives you choices the same as earth does. Those who remain in this place they have come to from suicide are many times souls who just cannot accept they have the choice and the responsibility as spirits as well as humans to move forward and therefore their growth spiritually remains where it is.
They eventually come to a place where there is love and there is forgiveness but they choose not to move beyond the place where they are and are souls that no longer move forward because that is their choice. This generally does not happen but all souls are given the choice whether to move forward or not. If they remain in this state of not choosing to move forward they no longer are an energy that is in which you on earth would call this holding cell of suicidal individuals but move forward into a group of spirit souls who are at the level of consciousness they are.
There comes a time then when you make the choice to move forward that you honestly look at yourself and forgive yourself and give yourself the love and the forgiveness. And once this happens you are able to move to the place in heaven where you would have been at the time of that evolution of your spirit from earth. This does not mean that you would be at the place that you might have come into heaven at had you continued that lifetime but at about the consciousness level of where you would have been had you not been so fully attached to the events that were taking place in life that pushed you to commit suicide.
You on earth play a very big role in being able to help those on the other side no matter how they cross over, no matter what the circumstances are, and you can think of any circumstance. But you on earth are able to help them cross over and to help them to move forward by the love and the forgiveness and releasing of them. Your role on earth plays many times an important role for the ones that have crossed over.
Key Finding 74
In both cases of individuals who have committed evil acts and those individuals who have committed suicide, they are not initially in a space where they have a spiritual experience with other spirits. Though they can feel the presence of others around them within the environment they are in, they have no actual contact with these spirits.
Afterlife 101 Section, Chapter 3: Unwillingness to let go of destructive energies
Spirit Guide: In both cases of individuals who have committed evil acts and those individuals who have committed suicide, they are not in a space where they have a spiritual experience with other spirits. Though they can feel the presence of others around them within the environment they are in, they have no actual contact with these spirits. They also, once they are willing to accept the forgiveness from others and themselves and know that God is always forgiving, realize that when they agree to move into their original spiritual home, that when they do reincarnate in life again that there will be as you on earth oftentimes call a karmic energy that will follow them in their new earth life.
There are those though who have been so evil, and so destructive, that it seems that their life back in the spirit world will be in this place for an infinite amount of time. For there are also those who will never have remorse or ask to be forgiven, who cannot break the earthbound ties and emotions, those energies that brought them to such a destructive place that they cannot release themselves from that. This is not a punishment to them. This is their choice for not being able or willing to let go of those destructive energies that created all of its experiences on earth. For many times it can never concede to the fact that it did something wrong as a human, and therefore has no need to ask for forgiveness or to feel any remorse for any of their human actions. This is a place then where these spirits will remain indefinitely and will always feel the constant torment of what drove them to their actions on earth. You on earth might call this a hell or purgatory. Those in the spirit world again say it is just giving the spirit the opportunity to make choices and move forward and so therefore it is the spirit itself that is responsible for where it will continue its existence.
Question: For people who cross over, having either commited suicide or having committed evil acts while on earth and thus go into separate areas of heaven, what is the role of angels and spirit guides in those circumstances?
Spirit Guide: As with any being that crosses over, they are initially met with higher evolved forms of energy to help make the transition though we would say they find their transition to be a much darker event than those who are more--who have not walked more on the dark side of earth. We will say that anyone who makes their transition is always greeted by a form of higher energy than they ever experienced before but that does not mean that they are making their transition in what would be the most joyous experience as others.
Agreements
Journey of Souls by Newton
After those entities who meet us during our homecoming have dispersed, we are ready to be taken to a space of healing...I hear such terms as: chambers, travel berths, and interspace stopover zones, but the most commmon is the place of healing. I think of the healing station as a field hospital, or MASH unit, for damaged souls coming off Earth's battlefields.
Suicide: What Really Happens in the Afterlife by Heath
In conclusion, contemporary channeled messages make it pretty clear that suicides are not permanently stuck in some unpleasant hell dimension. They may be in limbo for a time, but eventually are able to leave the lower astral plane and advance spiritually-although this may require more help for them to do so than that which is needed by those who have died from other causes.
Destiny of Souls by Newton
Particularly when a young, healthy person commits suicide, our teachers consider this an act of gross immaturity and the abrogation of responsibility. Our spiritual masters have placed their trust in our courage to finish life with functional bodies in a normal fashion, no matter how difficult. They have infinite patience with us, but with repeated suicide offenders their forgiveness takes another tone.
Seth Speaks by Roberts
The conditions connected with an act of suicide are also important, and the inner reality and realization of the individual. I mention this here because many philosophies teach that suicides are met by a sort of special, almost vindictive fate, and such is not the case. However, if a person kills himself, believing that the act will annihilate his consciousness forever, then this false idea may severely impede his progress, for it will be further intensified by guilt. Again, teachers are available to explain the true situation. Various therapies are used. For example, the personality may be led back to the events prior to the decision. Then the personality is allowed to change the decision. An amnesia effect is induced, so that the suicide itself is forgotton. Only later is the individual informed of the act, when he is better able to face it and understand it.
Seth Speaks by Roberts
Suicides, as a class, for example, do not have any particular 'punishment' meted out to them, nor is their condition any worse a priori. They are treated as individual. Any problems that were not faced in this life will, however, be faced in another one. This applies not only to suicides, however.
Here and Hereafter by Borgia
Such is the state of spiritual enlightenment of the earth that in many cases these folk are completely unaware that they have "died". That means simply that they have never ceased to live there has been an unbroken continuity of life for them, as indeed there is for all of us. This situation frequently arises among people who pass into the spirit world suddenly and perhaps without warning. Their lack of knowledge of conditions existing in the spirit world produces this state of bewilderment, and if there is added to that ignorance also the fact that, during their earthly life, they never gave any heed to a future life in the spirit world, then their situation becomes a doubly unhappy one. But there is in the spirit world a vast organization of all its immense resources, and it must not be thought that these bewildered souls are left to shift for themselves. They are soon taken in hand by others long resident in spirit lands, as you judge time, who devote their spirit lives to such work. Our task is often a difficult one because it is not always easy for the soul to grasp what has happened. The mental equipment of the individual may cause a reluctance to accept the truth. On the other hand, those who are mentally alert will soon see for themselves the exact situation. If only knowledge of the laws and conditions of spirit life were universally diffused throughout the earth world, what a wealth of difference it would make to each soul as he came to reside in these lands.
Here and Hereafter by Borgia
The actual process of physical death must be undertaken alone, and in this sense it is a solitary business. But as soon as the spirit body is free then we can begin. So far I have been speaking of people who are destined for the bright realms of the spirit world. Equally, assistance is offered to those whose lives on earth have brought them to the dark realms. It is a safe rule to say that no person passing into the spirit world at dissolution does so unattended. There is always someone there. But in so many cases we are prevented from giving any help by the spiritual state of the soul we are approaching. In fact, approach becomes impossible, and so we can do nothing but watch the soul depart upon its way into darkness. Naturally, if we can perceive the tiniest glimmer of light issuing from such a soul, we do our best to fan it into something more resembling a flame.
Seth Speaks by Roberts
A suicide may bring about his own death because he rejects existence on any but highly specific terms chosen by himself. If this is the case, then of course he will have to learn differently. Many others, however, choose to deny experience while within the physical system, committing suicide quite effectively while still physically alive.
Journey of Souls by Newton
All my case work with the spirits of my subjects has convinced me there is no residence of terrible suffering for souls, except on Earth. I am told all souls go to one spirit world after death where everyone is treated with patience and love. However, I have learned that certain souls do undergo separation in the spirit world, and this happens at the time of their orientation with guides. They are not activated along the same travel routes as other souls. Those of my subjects who have been impeded by evil report that souls whose influence was too weak to turn aside a human impulse to harm others will go into seclusion upon reentering the spirit world. These souls don't appear to mix with other entities in the conventional manner for quite a while.
Suicide: What Really Happens in the Afterlife by Heath
In some cases, the terrorists may be separated and placed in something of a holding pattern until the guides feel they are capable of learning. This can be seen in the following question- and -answer section:
Question: Is this usual that they separate the terrorists?
Spirit: Sometimes.
Question: What makes the difference?
Spirit: The level of learning.
Question: Can you explain further?
Spirit: The speed with which they absorb love.
Question: So if they can't absorb love, you sort of group by level of...?
Spirit: It's a detainment, sort of.
Question: So where ae they right now?
Spirit: It's a holding pattern.
Question: How do they see the holding pattern?
Spirit: It looks similar to what they saw on Earth. But calmer...
Question: What happens to those who cannot let go of their hatred?
Spirit: They will stay in the holding pattern. The early separation of souls in the afterlife may not be unique to terrorists but simply a normal way of dealing with those who are very unevolved or have hurt others during their lifetime.
Destiny of Souls by Newton
The returning energy of some souls will not be sent back into their soul group right away. These are the souls who were contaminated by their physical bodies and became involved with evil acts. Those souls who have been associated with evil are taken to special centers which some clients call intensive care units..if their actions were prolonged and especially cruel over a number of lives, this would denote a pattern of wrongful behaviour. A guiding principle in the spirit world is that wrongdoing, intentional or unintentional, on the part of all souls will need to be redressed in some form in a future life. This is not considered punishment or even penance as much as an oppportunity for karmic growth.
Destiny of Souls by Newton
Souls who demand to be left in solitude after death on Earth are not self-destructing, rather some feel isolation is necessary out of concern for contaminating other souls with negative energy. There are also souls who don't feel contaminated but they are not ready to be consoled by anyone.
Destiny of Souls by Newton
There are certain displaced souls who have become so contaminated by their host bodies that they require special handling. This spectrum of behaviour would primarily include souls who have been associated with evil acts that caused harm to other people through deliberate malice....I understand there are souls whose acts in host bodies were so heinous they are not permitted to return to Earth. Souls are strengthened by regeneration with the expectation they can keep future potentially malevolent bodies in check
Between Death & Life by Dolores Cannon
Suicides normally do not go back into the body quickly. Usually it is too traumatic. They can't solve the problem that caused them to commit suicide quickly enough to back into the body that soon.
Disagreements
Destiny of Souls by Newton
In suicide cases involving healthy bodies, one of two things generally happens to these souls. If they are not a repeat offender, the soul is frequently sent back to a new life rather quickly, at their own request, to make up for lost time. This could be within five years of their death on Earth. For those who display a pattern of bailing out when things get rough there are places of repentance for a good purpose. These places do not contain a pantheon of horrors in some dark, lower spirit region reserved for sinners. Rather than being punished in some sort of bleak purgatory, these souls may volunteer to go to a beautiful planetary world with water, trees and mountains but no other life.
Spirit Guide Commentary
Question (70-74): After an individual commits suicide, instead of going to a fairly dim world for a period of time, are they ever sent to a new life quite quickly (to make up for lost time) or alternately allowed to go to a beautiful planet with no other life?
Spirit Guide Commentary (12/21/08): We cannot answer yes or no to those questions that you asked us for we have no knowledge of them. It could very much be the case as you suggested but we can't answer to that if it is outside our realm of experiences. But we do know that those who commit suicide are met by loved ones as they first cross over, they go to a place where they are given the opportunity to look at their reason for what they did and given the opportunity to accept and take responsibility for that and to eventually move back to their spirit family, having been forgiven by themselves, having been given forgiveness from their earth family, and knowing that they were watched by the higher consciousness as they took their own life.
Discussion
The spirit guides indicate that the stated experience of some of Dr. Newton's patients after suicide do not fall within their sphere of afterlife knowledge. They summarize the core experience which they associate with the crossing over of an individual after suicide.